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Novatretin (Acitretin generic) - anyone else used it? My experience so far...

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Novatretin (Acitretin generic) - anyone else used it? My experience so far...
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Wed-04-11-2015, 08:07 AM
Chronic Plaque Psoriasis sufferer for 45 years who's having an interesting experience with Novatretin, the Canadian-sourced generic form of Acitretin. I'm in New Zealand.

Acitretin (as NeoTigason) has been my go-to miracle drug for flare-ups. I've taken it 8 times previously (over 30 years) at a dosage of 35mg/6 weeks then 25mg/6 weeks then discontinued. Results have always been fantastic: significant thinning and fading all over by end of week four or five, then complete fading by weeks 8-10. Often I've stopped taking it with a couple of weeks to go since clearance has been so good. Rash slowly returns over next year but is usually well-behaved only requiring topicals for the next few years until the next flare-up.

In the last couple of years my rash had become a little nasty with spots and patches all over which I was managing with Daivonex and a low dose steroid for the scalp. I didn't have a flare-up but decided to get Acitretin from my derm who thought it was a good idea to try a lower dose regime.

Neotigason is no longer funded so Novatretin was substituted. I began 20mg/day on Aug 12. I anticipated a slower improvement and indeed it took about 2-3 weeks before I noticed any fading which was only on some areas of my body. But by week 6 I noticed some new spotting and some increased activity in the patches that had started to fade. I particularly noticed heat and activity on my palms and especially soles which had been wonderfully clear for the last 2 years.

So now at week 7 the rash is about the same as it was when I started, perhaps worse if I add in my soles. It's disturbing to me that after a mild initial improvement things have returned to their original state.

I've got a couple of theories:

- the lower dose is enough to provide some initial improvement but also just enough to be antagonistic resulting in an overall unsatisfactory result and worsening in some areas
- the generic is simply not as good as NeoTigason

I've just had my second round of blood tests so I intend contacting my derm with my experience and concerns. I will suggest increasing the dosage to 30mg and see what he thinks.

Other side effects are hardly noticeable with a little dryness and increased sun sensitivity. But this is very mild compared to what happens at my normal dose of 35mg.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had experience with generics when they've previously had excellent and consistent results with the regular brand.

Now I understand that some folks experience flare ups or worsening before improvement but since my long term experience has been quite different it seems very strange to me that this time my reaction is so distressingly different. By now, every time without fail, my rash has been radically reduced and almost cleared, and that's after a major flare-up.

Any thoughts welcome.
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Wed-04-11-2015, 09:31 AM
Hi Rasherman and  Welcome to the forum. I hope some of our members may have an answer, acetretin is not a drug I have used so I'm afraid I can't help with your question. But I noticed your thread and could not leave it without welcoming you to the club.
We have several members on acetretin so hopefully you will get some answers soon.
In the meantime feel free to read through the other treatments available, and if you want a break from psoriasis join us in the off topic section for a general chat  Thumb
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Wed-04-11-2015, 09:35 AM
Hi Rasherman,

Me too I don't have experience with acetretin.
But like Jim wanted to welcome you to psoriasisclub.

Wish you a good time over here.

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Thu-05-11-2015, 14:28 PM
Welcome Rasherman!

I was on Acitretin and it worked well for me, much like you described.

Generic drugs can vary slightly (they use the same active ingredient, but fillers can be different) This is from the Berkley University site:

"Studies have found that the absorption of generics differs from the brand names by only 3 to 4 percent, on average, comparable to differences among batches of many brand-name drugs. Such a small difference won’t matter for most drugs, but for some it may reduce effectiveness and/or safety. Moreover, that “average” difference disguises a wider range of variability in bioequivalence."

So it is possible that the slight changes in the generic form are not as effective for you. But from your post, I think you already know more about this than I do. Smile Definitely something to discuss with your doctor.
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Thu-05-11-2015, 22:16 PM
(Thu-05-11-2015, 14:28 PM)Kat Wrote: So it is possible that the slight changes in the generic form are not as effective for you.  But from your post, I think you already know more about this than I do.  Smile  Definitely something to discuss with your doctor.

Hi, Kat. I like to be scientific in my approach to anything so the problem here was that I have two variables: the lower dosage (20mg versus 35mg) and the use of a generic.

I'm inclined to believe it's the lower dosage since if the lower dosage was as effective as the higher dosage I would never have needed the higher dosage all those times before.
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Fri-06-11-2015, 02:05 AM
I'm rather inclined to agree it more likely to be because the dose you are taking is just over half that it has taken to be effective in the past, whilst what Kat has said is true that the efficacy varies very slightly, it's hardly likely to be the reason it's not working this time.
I think you have answered your own question that the lower dose has not worked in the past, what makes your dermatologist think it will work now.
If I were you I would return to the dermatologist and ask to be put in the higher dose that worked before 35mg if that doesn't clear the psoriasis, then wonder if it's because it's a generic drug, or just your body has stopped responding to acetretin, in which case it will then be time to move to a different treatment
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Fri-06-11-2015, 02:25 AM
(Fri-06-11-2015, 02:05 AM)jiml Wrote: I think you have answered your own question that the lower dose has not worked in the past, what makes your dermatologist think it will work now.

As I said above: "In the last couple of years my rash had become a little nasty with spots and patches all over which I was managing with Daivonex and a low dose steroid for the scalp. I didn't have a flare-up but decided to get Acitretin from my derm who thought it was a good idea to try a lower dose regime."

It was my suggestion to my derm that since I wasn't involved in a flare-up that it might be worthwhile to try a lower dose to see if it would be as effective and which would soften the side effects of a higher dose. He thought it a good idea and indicated 20mg as appropriate.

Naturally I expected it to take longer to show results as it's almost half my usual starter dose. What's disconcerting is the renewed activity after the initial settling period and the eruption on my palms and soles. That said, I'm fairly philosophical about it knowing it was somewhat of an experiment. The positive outcome will be a better understanding of how starting on a low dose differs from starting high then going lower (35mg/25mg).

My current supply gives me 38 (from 90) remaining days at 20mg which I doubt is long enough to effect the clearance I was expecting. But if my derm suggests I continue to see what happens I'm open to that since unexpected things can happen. The drug may finally reach a critical point and really kick in. However I will be suggesting stepping up to 30mg for the next month.

The one great benefit of the lower dose is the low level of side effects. But there's no point to that if the outcome is a partial suppression at best. I'd rather experience the normal side effects (which aren't actually too bad) knowing it would be well worth it in the end.
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Fri-06-11-2015, 02:44 AM
(Fri-06-11-2015, 02:25 AM)rasherman Wrote:
(Fri-06-11-2015, 02:05 AM)jiml Wrote: I think you have answered your own question that the lower dose has not worked in the past, what makes your dermatologist think it will work now.

As I said above: "In the last couple of years my rash had become a little nasty with spots and patches all over which I was managing with Daivonex and a low dose steroid for the scalp. I didn't have a flare-up but decided to get Acitretin from my derm who thought it was a good idea to try a lower dose regime."

It was my suggestion to my derm that since I wasn't involved in a flare-up that it might be worthwhile to try a lower dose to see if it would be as effective and which would soften the side effects of a higher dose. He thought it a good idea and indicated 20mg as appropriate.

Naturally I expected it to take longer to show results as it's almost half my usual starter dose. What's disconcerting is the renewed activity after the initial settling period and the eruption on my palms and soles. That said, I'm fairly philosophical about it knowing it was somewhat of an experiment. The positive outcome will be a better understanding of how starting on a low dose differs from starting high then going lower (35mg/25mg).

My current supply gives me 38 (from 90) remaining days at 20mg which I doubt is long enough to effect the clearance I was expecting. But if my derm suggests I continue to see what happens I'm open to that since unexpected things can happen. The drug may finally reach a critical point and really kick in. However I will be suggesting stepping up to 30mg for the next month.

The one great benefit of the lower dose is the low level of side effects. But there's no point to that if the outcome is a partial suppression at best. I'd rather experience the normal side effects (which aren't actually too bad) knowing it would be well worth it in the end.

Im reading this as a sufferer who has never used acetretin, but I know with my drug my body reacts badly if I reduce the dose to low
I'm assuming from what I've read from others who are on acetretin who have reduced their dose that the psoriasis comes back and increasing the dose stops the flare see this thread  Flare up on Acitretin it looks to me as if the body needs a certain level of the drug to block the disease, and then reduce the dose, rather than start low
It's just my opinion, your dermatologist will know for sure. I can understand wanting to minimise the side effects,
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Fri-06-11-2015, 02:49 AM
Maybe it's time to try something new....
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Fri-06-11-2015, 03:31 AM (This post was last modified: Fri-06-11-2015, 03:31 AM by Kat.)
(Thu-05-11-2015, 22:16 PM)rasherman Wrote:
(Thu-05-11-2015, 14:28 PM)Kat Wrote: So it is possible that the slight changes in the generic form are not as effective for you.  But from your post, I think you already know more about this than I do.  Smile  Definitely something to discuss with your doctor.

Hi, Kat. I like to be scientific in my approach to anything so the problem here was that I have two variables: the lower dosage (20mg versus 35mg) and the use of a generic.

I'm inclined to believe it's the lower dosage since if the lower dosage was as effective as the higher dosage I would never have needed the higher dosage all those times before.

That makes sense.  You said you were going to increase the dose so it will be interesting to hear the outcome and if that is what works.
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