Some PS diet questions. Eggs? Green Grapes? Proteins?

[JonJon]

New guy here. I did an intro post with most of my details. Have had PS since somewhere around 2010. Currently on Humira but want to get my diet in order and then come off the Humira.

I have done some research on PS and anti-inflam diets. WOW. Everything I currently eat is a big no no. Well,I guess then its no wonder i have PS lol.

Im trying to comprehend how this will work because we are talking about a huge lifestyle change for me.



Long story short. I DONT COOK.    Well, make that I "DIDNT" cook. I guess I do now.

The main snag I see is that I am a meat eater and I need my proteins. I lift weights. I hate the use the term "bodybuilder" (since i dont look like one lol) but thats the general idea. I see "no red meat" listed. Ok, that sucks but maybe not the end of the world. Then I see proteins listed as Salmon and Trout. lol. ok. Thats it???

What I dont see much guidance on is CHICKEN?!? I see eggs sometimes listed as bad, sometimes not. But I dont see much listed about actual chicken. If I were to dream that I could be on a strict bodybuilder type diet...that would typically be tons of chicken breast. So is chicken ok or is it no good or what??


Any guidance on these foods would be nice:


chicken?

veal?

any other good meat options besides fish?

eggs? I sometimes see them listed as a no no. What about egg whites? what about egg substitutes?


fruits in general. i see "no citrus fruits" and then i see on the "good" side stuff like blueberrys and cherries. lol. ok. Thats it though? What other fruits are ok?


What about green grapes? I see that "sour grapes" may be a no no. Are all green grapes considered sour? I hope not lol



what about protein powders? I am assuming most would have gluten? or would they be considered too "processed"?


The main snag for me (besides the obvious huge lifestyle change) is I dont see how i will get enough protein. Say, 200grams per day or thereabouts.



Thanks for any suggestions or ideas.  

Peace, JonJon

[Kat]

I'm still learning a lot regarding diet. In my case it isn't so much for psoriasis as it is liver and inflammation (which makes it very similar to what is suggested here )

Red meat is generally a no. Chicken I would think is fine but depends on how you cook it. No skin and no frying! Well maybe air fryer.

Good foods that are anti inflammatory:
Tomatoes although it generally stated here that nightshades (such as tomatoes) cause inflammation but that has not been proven anywhere I could find. In fact, they have lycopene and vitamin C that help curb inflammation.
Olive Oil
Green leafy vegetables like spinach/kale/collards
Nuts: Almonds and walnuts
fatty fish: salmon, tuna
fruits, particularly strawberries, blueberries, cherries and oranges.

And coffee!

Mostly stay away from refined carbs, fried food, soda, processed meat, butter/margarine/shortening and red meats.

As for proteins, if you have problems with meats go for beans or even protein shakes.

I'm sure someone else will come along with more info.

[jiml]

Hi JonJon and    to the club. I'm afraid diet isn't something I'm familiar with as far as helping the psoriasis is concerned but applaud anyone who can achieve control by using diet. I see that you are on humira and I hope that works well for you combined with a good diet
You could browse your way through these posts that may give you some inspiration. Natural Treatments For Psoriasis is all about various natural treatments and diets
Alan has been clear for ages after using diet to get clear How I Cured My Psoriasis By Diet
There might be some useful tips here as well The anti-inflamatory food pyramid
I wish you luck and look forward to reading of your progress

[JonJon]

strawberries, blueberries, cherries and oranges.

thats interesting because I have read and seen on vids that strawberries are a no no and also that all citrus fruits are a no. (which is hard to believe in a way lol)

[Turnedlight]

Hi, I hope your diet works for you, it’s something that comes up in conversation but I’m not sure how many of us have really gone for it - I tried cutting nightshades a while back but didn’t last all that long..

As to protein, I would have thought chicken would be a good one, also what do they say about things like beans (pulses)?

Coffee is interesting, it is apparently good for your liver and has anti-inflammatory properties, though caffeine itself doesn’t.

I do have reservations about the idea of sorting out psoriasis by diet only because I would have thought if it did work our docs would have us all on these diets before trying anything else. But then, perhaps really comprehensive studies have never been carried out?

I hope you do have success and look forward to progress updates.

[Caroline]

I do have reservations about the idea of sorting out psoriasis by diet only because I would have thought if it did work our docs would have us all on these diets before trying anything else. But then, perhaps really comprehensive studies have never been carried out?

I hope you do have success and look forward to progress updates.

I do see your point here. There are no studies. Though there is more interest of the docs for lifestyle. They formerly have been very dependent on medication but there is a shift viewable.
Over here in NL there is a patients driven approach together with the microbiom centre to just try if a change in the micro biome can lead to a reduction of psoriasis.

[Kat]

strawberries, blueberries, cherries and oranges.

thats interesting because I have read and seen on vids that strawberries are a no no and also that all citrus fruits are a no. (which is hard to believe in a way lol)

Hmm, I found articles saying strawberries are really good for inflammation.  But you are correct in that there are just as many saying to avoid strawberries if you have psoriasis.  But let's make it more confusing, I found this on what to eat if you have psoriasis:

Fruits and vegetables
Almost all anti-inflammatory diets include fruits and vegetables. Fruits and vegetables are high in antioxidants, which are compounds that decrease oxidative stress and inflammation. A diet high in fruits and vegetables is recommended for inflammatory conditions such as psoriasis.

Foods to eat include:

broccoli, cauliflower, and Brussels sprouts
leafy greens, such as kale, spinach, and arugula
berries, including blueberries, strawberries, and raspberries
cherries, grapes, and other dark fruits

The same article says to avoid nightshades (tomatoes) as they are known to trigger flares. 

I'm going to go with we are all different and what triggers for some people are not the same for others.  The only way to really know is to slowly stop or start foods until you figure out what works and I personally probably won't do that as I would still not know for instance if I ate tomatoes and then had a flare up whether it was due to the food or stress.

Jim gave you some links to point you in the direction of people who have had success with their dieting and psoriasis.  I'm new to changing up my diet and it's more for other reasons.  Like you, I'm also still learning. 

[Caroline]

Hihi… and we are making it more confusing….

I have always learnt from my doc to avoid grapes, certainly the blue ones. The peelings of this contain grape acid, which has a strong negative influence on the citric acid cycle which is very important in psoriasis.

[Kat]

Hihi… and we are making it more confusing….

I have always learnt from my doc to avoid grapes, certainly the blue ones. The peelings of this contain grape acid, which has a strong negative influence on the citric acid cycle which is very important in psoriasis.

There are more questions than answers to dieting I think.

I was thinking a good nutritionist might be a good place to ask questions but I've been to two of those who honestly were either not very good or simply go by a standard diet as I learned nothing from them (nor did I lose weight or have inflammation or psoriasis improve) One wanted to basically sell me supplements and the other gave me basic information I can find myself. So for me, I've gone with what just makes sense. Cutting out bad carbs, red meats, fried foods, processed foods, fast foods, etc and trying to eat more vegetables and fruits. My last test showed improvement in my liver however nothing really improved on the inflammation so I'm trying to improve a bit there now.

JonJon mentioned eggs, I'm curious what others think about them for health. My doc said nope, but then he said no to ALL dairy products (not happening)

[JonJon]

I do have reservations about the idea of sorting out psoriasis by diet only because I would have thought if it did work our docs would have us all on these diets before trying anything else.

my experience and research says the exact opposite. Lets get real, the docs and big pharma dont make money if i actually get cured.


How much actual intense nutritional training do you think docs get??

as far as I remember, the doc who prescribed me Humira did not ask one question about diet, exercise, stress. I may be remembering that incorrectly because its been a while but I certainly wasnt given any diet recommendations

so that means that the SYMPTOMS were treated...but not the actual cause

it is what it is. Its a bit shocking when you realize that the doctor isnt really responsible for your actual health.....you are