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Yvon is going on Humira

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Yvon is going on Humira
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#1
Thu-08-07-2021, 09:58 AM
As I reported in my introduction topic, I would talk to my rheumatologist about starting Mtx. His assistant nurse had called me a few weeks back, about de Mri results, and she had said that they would start with Mtx and if that didn't help they would switch to Humira.

But why start with Mtx if you're not sure what it does for PsA? I also told in my introduction topic, that I had found a video on Youtube in which my rheumatologist himself indicates that it is unknown whether Mtx actually works for PsA.  Confused
Given the many negative reports, but also positive reports about Mtx, I myself had a hesitant attitude towards it. Why start with Mtx if you, as a rheumatologist, don't support it yourself? And why not immediately start on the Humira?

So last Tuesday I went for a consultation with my rheumatologist and told him what my reluctance was towards starting Mtx. 
Of course he indicated that it is an insurance policy thing and also the guidelines within the Netherlands, so Mtx is the first choice of treatment, blabla bla bla...

To which I indicated: Yes that's a good story, but not enough for me, because I read that several studies indicate that Mtx does not do much for PsA, that they do not know what it does anyway. And besides, there is a video of you on Youtube in which you indicate that you also do not know whether it really works. So how do you substantiate the choice to start with Mtx? Whip

He looked at me in surprise  Huh
I said: I told you that I have Autism and that I am not a patient like others, I research everything in advance, down to the semicolon, so substantiate your story tong  Whistle

He started laughing really hard and he said “shit, I'm getting caught on my own words here, very good!. Clap
 
He didn't mind at all that I confronted him about the research end video and was impressed that I had sorted out so much information.
He said, “As a rheumatologist I can bound the rules, my assitent nurse is not allowed to do that. I understand that she stated to start with Mtx. But I can deviate from the rules. Obviously is by Mri and also diagnosed, you have axial PsA, and if you don't want to use Mtx, I immediately will let you start with Humira, which I also think is the best option for you.
So I said: that's what I want, no Mtx, but the Humira. Thumb

And today I will start with the Humira. I have to pick up the injections at the pharmacy of the hospital later this day. Than go to the rheumatism nurse for a injection instruction and my first injection of Humira will be immediately made.

I'm glad I got into the discussion with my rheumatologist and he went along with it. I'm realy glad I chose him as my rheumatologist. When I told him that the pain is sometimes unbearable, my quality of life is really F.ckedup Sad , that I sometimes couldn't stand it anymore, he also indicated that he understood that very well. (sometime it's very nice to be heard).

If the Humira does not help me, the pain in my neck remains unbearable, he has promised to send me to the pain clinic. So at least he won't let me down and won't send me away like all the other rheumatologists in the past nine years who send me away to the psychologist  Angry

I am curious, I hope the Humira will work for me, that I will hardly get any side effects and that I will finally be freed from stiffness and pain after more than 9 years, I hope so! The most important thing for me is that my quality of life gets better than it is now, that's what I'm going for!  Thumb
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#2
Thu-08-07-2021, 11:07 AM
Good luck with Humira Yvon, I think you were wise to push your case and skip methotrexate.

If Humira doesn't help, there are plenty more Bio's to try. Biological Treatments For Psoriasis
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Thu-08-07-2021, 14:04 PM
Well, good for you I have to admit I’m jealous I lost a year to the fog of mtx and I personally think they should drop it as a treatment.

All the best for humira, hope it works but don’t worry if not there are loads to try.
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Thu-08-07-2021, 14:17 PM
(Thu-08-07-2021, 11:07 AM)Fred Wrote: Good luck with Humira Yvon, I think you were wise to push your case and skip methotrexate.

If Humira doesn't help, there are plenty more Bio's to try. Biological Treatments For Psoriasis

You took my lines Fred… Doh  Big Grin

Indeed, and if Humira works that will be great. But remember, that with  a lot of people the TNF medication in a certain amount of time probably will stop working, but there is a whole lot of other available.

Good Job talking to your rheum this way and indeed if your search for:
“A randomized placebo-controlled trial of methotrexate in psoriatic arthritis”
Then you will find the relevant article on which an article in the Pharmaceutisch weekblad is based, which you can find if you search for: “ MTX zinloos bij artritis psoriatica“
But already you did very very good, and your rheum is also a very good one, I have met worse.

I totally agree with Turnedlight, they should drop this treatment.
It is damaging and can cause much higher costs in later life that the cheap try that it is used for now.
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Thu-08-07-2021, 14:36 PM
(Thu-08-07-2021, 14:17 PM)Caroline Wrote: You took my lines Fred… Doh  Big Grin

Big Grin

(Thu-08-07-2021, 14:17 PM)Caroline Wrote: Good Job talking to your rheum this way and indeed if your search for:
“A randomized placebo-controlled trial of methotrexate in psoriatic arthritis”

Methotrexate no better than Placebo for Psoriatic Arhtritis

MTX senseless with PsA
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#6
Thu-08-07-2021, 21:47 PM
Clap   Great job Yvon and good luck
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Fri-09-07-2021, 19:06 PM (This post was last modified: Fri-09-07-2021, 19:07 PM by YvonS. Edited 1 time in total.)
Thanks everyone for your reactions!! Thumb

So yesterday i got my injection instruction. The nurse was explaining how to do this, she used a "demo pen" (is that how you write this? a fake injection pen?). Anyway, she said i had to try to see if i understood the procedure.
She gave me the injection pen, thinking it was the fake one  Big Grin ... so i put it on my upper leg, pressed the pen, the injectionfluid was injectioned Big Grin  

She panicked, saying "oh my, i gave you the real one!"  ang
Don't panic nurse, everything is going wel, i got my shot, i did it the right way... it isn't rocket science Whistle Smile
Lets just say she wasn't at her best  Smile

Well, my firts day experience,  i was dizzy yesterday, like i was drunk, and no i had no beers  Tongue  , today some nauseous... 
so if this are my side effects, i will not complain!! Thumb
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Fri-09-07-2021, 19:41 PM
Hihi… what a mistake… Snigger

But hey, you have it and if the side effects AND the results are okay, you have nothing more to wish fore. Lets wait for the results now. Thumb
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Fri-09-07-2021, 19:47 PM
(Fri-09-07-2021, 19:41 PM)Caroline Wrote: Hihi… what a mistake… Snigger

But hey, you have it and if the side effects AND the results are okay, you have nothing more to wish fore. Lets wait for the results now.  Thumb

Yes, what we call "muts"  Big Grin  don't know the english word for it  Wall

And also, yes lets wait !  Thumb
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#10
Fri-09-07-2021, 19:50 PM
You may experience a little fatigue too, but you body will soon get used to it.

What I remember of Humira I noticed a result after a couple of weeks.
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